Comments on: Engineering and Mangement Are Different — When Will We Learn? http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/ The magazine for the project age Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:41:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Hal http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-211 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-211 Hi Frank, I can see how you can think I sing just one note. I don't argue with your claim that we need better engineering (in some cases). I claim that too many projects have good engineering at the pieces level without the attention to optimization at the whole. There are five notes in my song: collaboration, optimization of the whole, increased relatedness of project performers, projects as networks of commitment, and tight coupling of learning with action. You can make one heck of a melody with just five notes. Hi Frank,

I can see how you can think I sing just one note. I don’t argue with your claim that we need better engineering (in some cases). I claim that too many projects have good engineering at the pieces level without the attention to optimization at the whole.

There are five notes in my song: collaboration, optimization of the whole, increased relatedness of project performers, projects as networks of commitment, and tight coupling of learning with action. You can make one heck of a melody with just five notes.

]]> by: Frank Winters http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-212 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-212 To clarify my point -- while agreeing that the two are different -- we need both improved engineeering and improved management - at the very least. To clarify my point — while agreeing that the two are different — we need both improved engineeering and improved management - at the very least.

]]> by: Udi Dahan - The Software Simpl http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-213 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-213 Project management is ALL about managing the customer. Project management is ALL about managing the team. Project management is HARD. When there is political in-fighting on the customer side, is it any wonder that engineering can't solve those problems ? When you CAN'T build the right system, does it really matter if you build the system right ? Project management is ALL about managing the customer.

Project management is ALL about managing the team.

Project management is HARD.

When there is political in-fighting on the customer side, is it any wonder that engineering can’t solve those problems ? When you CAN’T build the right system, does it really matter if you build the system right ?

]]> by: Frank Winters http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-214 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/05/02/361/#comment-214 Fitness for purpose is a good engineering principal. If you simply build something well that no one needs you have not engineered the desired/reuired solution. Fitness for purpose is a good engineering principal. If you simply build something well that no one needs you have not engineered the desired/reuired solution.

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