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	<title>Comments on: Snakes Bite</title>
	<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/</link>
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		<title>by: Hal
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-197</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>
        Joe,

I know of two-strike rules in a number of settings.  Drug use in the workplace is one.  Another is the misuse of company computers (spam, pormo, etc.).  The rules go a long way to curb behavior.  

But the big thing is not hiring them in the first place.  Improved screening might help.  Testing might also work.  I don't know.

Just get these people off your worksite.

Then there's the shielding workers from starting tasks that are not ready to be finished.  This is the big opportunity.  The Danish studies indicates there's at least a 50% improvement opportunity.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>I know of two-strike rules in a number of settings.  Drug use in the workplace is one.  Another is the misuse of company computers (spam, pormo, etc.).  The rules go a long way to curb behavior.  </p>
<p>But the big thing is not hiring them in the first place.  Improved screening might help.  Testing might also work.  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Just get these people off your worksite.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the shielding workers from starting tasks that are not ready to be finished.  This is the big opportunity.  The Danish studies indicates there&#8217;s at least a 50% improvement opportunity.
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		<title>by: Joe Ely
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-198</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>
        So, Hal, you are proposing such a two-strike rule to get the nonconformers off the dangerous job site?  

Fascinating.

Is anyone else doing this?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Hal, you are proposing such a two-strike rule to get the nonconformers off the dangerous job site?  </p>
<p>Fascinating.</p>
<p>Is anyone else doing this?
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		<title>by: Hal
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-199</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>
        Why, indeed!  I suspect that managers are not the only ones satisficing.  I have a posting queued for exploriing the satisficing paradigm as a better way of understanding how to improve safety.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, indeed!  I suspect that managers are not the only ones satisficing.  I have a posting queued for exploriing the satisficing paradigm as a better way of understanding how to improve safety.
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		<title>by: Tariq
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-200</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>
        This is a great piece, Hal.  Sites are full of the snake-trusting behavior you describe.  And it is not just on sites.  How many people do you see mowing their lawns with safety glasses and proper gloves on?  How many friends you know that had a cut or laceration on the fingers/hand because of a home remodeling project?  Is cutting corners intrinsic to our nature as human beings?  I think the problem is in the remote possibility we always associate with the occurrence of the accident/injury.
Best regards,
Tariq
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great piece, Hal.  Sites are full of the snake-trusting behavior you describe.  And it is not just on sites.  How many people do you see mowing their lawns with safety glasses and proper gloves on?  How many friends you know that had a cut or laceration on the fingers/hand because of a home remodeling project?  Is cutting corners intrinsic to our nature as human beings?  I think the problem is in the remote possibility we always associate with the occurrence of the accident/injury.<br />
Best regards,<br />
Tariq
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		<title>by: Gary Kuhn
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-201</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-201</guid>
					<description>
        Hal, you have really hit a big issue here. We expect people to be responsible for themselves, yet they choose to take risks. You said it and we all know it! Anyone will to work in construction is a risk taker. However, we of sound mind in Management cannot allow the rest of a Project or our companies to be put at risk by an employee that elects to be macho. So we do as you note, de-select the employee or have constant supervision. But I have alternative -

Educate the designers and Customers about designing construction, yes construction safety into the final product. Designers typically have no idea of dangers of excavating a trench, nor working in a confined space, nor fall hazards. They ignorantly follow cookie cutter standards because they don't take risks. They only focus on safety factors in the final product performance.

Maybe we should put the designers in the trench during pipe laying, down in the confined space, or up on the transmission tower checking connections during construction. I bet they begin becoming innovative and creative in their designs. And for those designers that would object stating that it would be cost prohibitive. . . . 

Well you know the come back for that question. We are now compelled to design environmentally responsibly.  Why can't we, who have a robotic soil sampler on Mars, design for construction safety?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, you have really hit a big issue here. We expect people to be responsible for themselves, yet they choose to take risks. You said it and we all know it! Anyone will to work in construction is a risk taker. However, we of sound mind in Management cannot allow the rest of a Project or our companies to be put at risk by an employee that elects to be macho. So we do as you note, de-select the employee or have constant supervision. But I have alternative -</p>
<p>Educate the designers and Customers about designing construction, yes construction safety into the final product. Designers typically have no idea of dangers of excavating a trench, nor working in a confined space, nor fall hazards. They ignorantly follow cookie cutter standards because they don&#8217;t take risks. They only focus on safety factors in the final product performance.</p>
<p>Maybe we should put the designers in the trench during pipe laying, down in the confined space, or up on the transmission tower checking connections during construction. I bet they begin becoming innovative and creative in their designs. And for those designers that would object stating that it would be cost prohibitive. . . . </p>
<p>Well you know the come back for that question. We are now compelled to design environmentally responsibly.  Why can&#8217;t we, who have a robotic soil sampler on Mars, design for construction safety?
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		<title>by: Bob Wells
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-202</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2004/03/18/337/#comment-202</guid>
					<description>
        Hal,

I've seen some successes, individual by individual, in changing behaviors by changing values.  It is the core values that a person holds that drives the behaviors that eventually put them at risk.  On a larger project, you can't expect the workers you really need to let go to readily identify themselves.  You need to work this issue in the forefront of cause.

Sometimes, you can learn a lot by poking around someone's values.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some successes, individual by individual, in changing behaviors by changing values.  It is the core values that a person holds that drives the behaviors that eventually put them at risk.  On a larger project, you can&#8217;t expect the workers you really need to let go to readily identify themselves.  You need to work this issue in the forefront of cause.</p>
<p>Sometimes, you can learn a lot by poking around someone&#8217;s values.
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