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	<title>Comments on: Lean Project Delivery Rejects Cartesian Thinking</title>
	<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/</link>
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		<title>by: Keith Ray
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/#comment-315</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        Very good points.
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		<title>by: Claude Emond
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/#comment-316</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        Pretty well argued for a 5 minute e-mail Hal ;-)

Thanks for the referral to the «project age». Those who want to know what it is all about can read the working paper (in english) that first talked about it (in 2001) at http://www.theprojectpage.com/working_paper_1.pdf .That's it for self-promotion.

I also thank you very much for the DATA you present in favor of lean construction. Actually, although DATA on the traditional approach to project management is far from being convincing, as I told before, it is still difficult to come with DATA proving that agile project management does the trick better, since it is not yet as widely used. It seems to me, however, that lean construction, because it is a bit older than the agile SW project methodologies now emerging, has some DATA to offer to support the argument for a paradigm shift. If you have some more of those or know where I can find them, please let me know; they will be very useful to me when I will meet the PMI-Montreal crowd for my presentation on eXtreme project management next month.

Finally, I think you are quite right to equate bad projects to bad management. Actually, what is at stake is not Planning, WBS and the other wonders discussed in the PMBoK. Those tools are not inherently wrong; they have their proper utility in due time. What is at stake is how we use them within a mindset that favors central top-down control over decentralized work organization and collaboration, along with the blind use of deterministic recipes in the face of a world that answers favorably to adaptation and less and less favorably to rigid management.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty well argued for a 5 minute e-mail Hal <img src='http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the referral to the «project age». Those who want to know what it is all about can read the working paper (in english) that first talked about it (in 2001) at <a href="http://www.theprojectpage.com/working_paper_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.theprojectpage.com/working_paper_1.pdf</a> .That&#8217;s it for self-promotion.</p>
<p>I also thank you very much for the DATA you present in favor of lean construction. Actually, although DATA on the traditional approach to project management is far from being convincing, as I told before, it is still difficult to come with DATA proving that agile project management does the trick better, since it is not yet as widely used. It seems to me, however, that lean construction, because it is a bit older than the agile SW project methodologies now emerging, has some DATA to offer to support the argument for a paradigm shift. If you have some more of those or know where I can find them, please let me know; they will be very useful to me when I will meet the <acronym title="Project Management Institute">PMI</acronym>-Montreal crowd for my presentation on eXtreme project management next month.</p>
<p>Finally, I think you are quite right to equate bad projects to bad management. Actually, what is at stake is not Planning, <acronym title="Work Breakdown Structure; a way of bringing organization to the description and categories of work in a project">WBS</acronym> and the other wonders discussed in the <acronym title="PMI's Project Management Body of Knowledge">PMBoK</acronym>. Those tools are not inherently wrong; they have their proper utility in due time. What is at stake is how we use them within a mindset that favors central top-down control over decentralized work organization and collaboration, along with the blind use of deterministic recipes in the face of a world that answers favorably to adaptation and less and less favorably to rigid management.
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		<title>by: Hal
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/#comment-317</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        I just found the repository for the NewGrange discussion at Yahoo.  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newgrange/.  Take a look at the the discussion thread titled Lean Construction and Traditional PM.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found the repository for the NewGrange discussion at Yahoo.  <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newgrange/." rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newgrange/.</a>  Take a look at the the discussion thread titled Lean Construction and Traditional PM.
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		<title>by: Claude Emond
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/#comment-318</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        This Nwew Grange Forum is a nice read indeed. The last entry is from Jim Highsmith (quite an agile guy from what I know) answering Bill Duncan in a similar tone about quite an outrageous statement. Well, well, well.

I'll keep looking from now on. But I think your weblog is the right place to discuss and evolve, not New Grange. Thanks for the link
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Nwew Grange Forum is a nice read indeed. The last entry is from Jim Highsmith (quite an agile guy from what I know) answering Bill Duncan in a similar tone about quite an outrageous statement. Well, well, well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep looking from now on. But I think your weblog is the right place to discuss and evolve, not New Grange. Thanks for the link
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		<title>by: Claude Emond
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		<link>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/#comment-319</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.reformingprojectmanagement.com/2003/03/31/118/#comment-319</guid>
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        sorry. not the last posting-entrance of the New Grange Forum. I was refering to No. 7241
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry. not the last posting-entrance of the New Grange Forum. I was refering to No. 7241
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